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I should properly write now.

Posted by: farahhanani on: November 4, 2009

I know. *Cringe*

One month absence wow.

En francais is an Engineers Dilemma

Unlike previous semesters, the local smart kids from Quebec make up the largest demographics in the majority of the class i’m taking. I reserve the most admiration for  this particular group of comrades, because from an Asian point of view,  it is without a single doubt that they come from a very different sphere of education system. In contrast to their Asian/Middle East counterparts, Quebecois kids may not be the geniuses in town. However, they are the most creative, most proactive, adventurous, highly curious and the most helpful go-getters i have ever seen. Their outlook in academics is such a drastic 360 degrees turn from ours in a way that i get really jealous. I am not jealous at their smart alecness, but rather of their education system. I envied the most of their mindset of how their academics experience should be formed.

There is a notion that in university life, one should adopt an attitude to be educated as much as possible as opposed to with the goal to pass exams. For the misinformed, that view was bludgeoned from the young minds in Asia aeons ago.  Main culprits are elite high schools,where  the pressure to perform well in national exams surpasses all other  priorities. In effect, matters pertaining the subject that doesnt revolve around the exams generate mild interest/disinterest. Screw the wonders of  Wolfram Alpha, i dont get an A with it anyway.

Granted, both types of outlook may brought success in academic life . Although, they differ drastically in undertaking strategies. The latter can be achieved by getting assignments and past papers from graduates,doing late night religious studying, following the exam fromat to the dot and targeting questions that the professor have an inclination to ask in examinations and probably a little plagiarizing thrown in. In retrospect,following an academic experience that is configured to best  fulfill the examination system.

Still confused? Think SPM.

How was the preparation like? Do you learn the subject or do you learn how to answer questions the right way about the subject?

Case in point.

Now, the former is what i call an idealistic view( and now scarce to find in real practice with the high academic inflation phenomenon nowadays) of an individual’s academic experience: you come to class to be inspired, to learn , be intrigued by new frontiers of your area and to contribute daily to a ping-pong banter of ideas and hypothetical experimentations. In restrospect : God Damn exams.

This sounds highly Utopian to my SPM educated ears.

But not to these Quebecois kids. They are the rare bunch of people of who still view academics along that vigour, or at least try to encapsulate the  same along-said spirit in daily practice. Note that the attitude is applied even with the examination system in place. The ability to hybrid the ideal view of academics and still beat the current system is something i find wondrous, even mesmerizing. In McGill engineering (with its tight curriculum and hectic schoolwork), trust me, idealistic is best to let rest in its laurels for 4 years and one is better off sticking to late night studying and FarmVille.

 

The point here is this:

How am i supposed to contribute in the lively discussion of wonderful enlightening and knowledge if i dont speak the same language as they are. Heck, i cant even contribute to the casual conversation of what i had for lunch today with them. In effect, i am an automatic outcast.

This is somewhat a depressing pickle i find myself in. The being minority female thing was one and now this? Come on now.

I am not kidding, this is a real and genuine problem. Learning is best done with participation, especially so the case with myself whos darn slow in the brain department.  This problematic issue is even more compounded when youre clueless in what to do in a lab demo( as is often the case) but everyone else is happily frenching away with each other.

It felt really rude to intrude in english. So all i can do is just gape in awe over; 1) their brilliance in the stuff,  2) their brilliance in french, 3) brilliance of chinese and indian guys in french all the while  still fumbling with the oscilloscope dials to get a non-noisy sine wave signal.

P/s :”…. and Quebec French doesnt even sound that good!”- me complaining.

12 Responses to "I should properly write now."

I remember being so absolutely clueless in my first cadaver lab that I had to dig into a friend’s pocket to borrow a pen whilst he held his hands up all bloodied. I’m not sure how that has anything to do with anything, but medtalk amongst extremely excited and eager med people to me is almost like a whole other different language. I can’t say I’ve been in a situation like yours, but I do get the whole feeling of being lost and then not sure of what you should do without ending up sounding like a rude interruption or an absolute idiot (this here with me, all the time in cadaver labs and group discussions – they don’t have to make me, I already feel like one just standing there listening haha). I suppose what I can say though is that if it’s really taking a toll on your enjoyment of your classes (or at least your ability to endure those classes), then I think it might be well worth it just nudging some guys, better to appear apparently “rude” (keyword apparently, they’ll realise afterwards you weren’t trying to be rude) than to end up a little confused in class (and as far as my experience goes, it is really difficult for Malaysians to try and appear genuinely rude because we are just so dang naturally polite – we thank too many people, greet them too many times and apologise for way too many things heh). Just an “excusez-moi” and dadada, it’s either one or the other so I suppose, kan?

I’m not really sure if that would help at all but I felt obligated to say something =p But I’m sure you’ll do fine, I’ve always had a romanticised idea of how cultured the experience must be for people who study in bilingual universities (eg McGill), but I suppose there are catches as well, eh? Well study hard and I hope this doesn’t present itself as too much of an obstacle! (Don’t let it).

(Btw Anem kelas lain ke? I always thought you guys were doing the same course. And yes btw I argree Quebecois french tak sedap hahahaha).

thanks atif,

im beginning to think tht inferiority plays a much bigger role here and the language somehow compunded the problem.

anem orang bijak pandai, so dia lebih advance dari kite. :)

oi sukati jek.. Kita same2 pandai, ok? Lepuk kang.

Ohhh ok ok i see your point now. Oh yes in that case I have to agree with u 180%.

Btw, I guess it’s because the reason why they are in electrical engineering is because it’s what they’re interested in and what they spend most of their time with. (u know, build some funky robot in their bedroom, make funky circuit in their garage, etc) So of course they’re very passionate about what ever they’re doing.

Unlike us, we came to university, doing engineering, with nothing but a single reason – Our sponsors told us to. Lame.

I quote from Richard Feynman and he said:” the pleasure of finding things out’. Most of well developed country practice this ‘mantra’ for their education system which is not exam-oriented based.

There’s a book with the same title

i immediately borrowed the book lol.

wei..miss ur posting la wei..where haf u been missing?haha…yup we are brainwashed to learn with that kind of attitude…blame the system,blame the the way we live. the academic atmosphere is not as lively here compared to westerns. we are taught to be quite rather than exercising our curious minds.

being a minority isnt a weakness..its ur strength..im sure u can blend in with them aedi kan?

erm why french?they talk french ke by d way?

its like you foreigner going to a class full of malay people talking among each other la kan. inferior tak sket?

I would agree on the sucky-ness of our education system, but I really dun think that language, i.e. French is the main issue here.

The Bangladeshis and Pakistanis kids, who build the largest number of students in engineering faculty (or electrical at least) also converse in their own language when they’re with each other discussing questions or past midterms, etc (oh yes i’ve been studying w them lately too) , and yet, how come you still can be so close to them, and, i would say, a part of them?

No, language is not the barrier here.

I dun think those Quebecois kids would mind if you ask them something in english. Seriously, malu bertanya sesat jalan. Awal sem dulu aku pun tebalkan muka untuk ajak budak Quebecois tu jadi lab partner aku, and now I’m glad that I did.

Altho, I do think memang susah sikit nak be very close with the “local students” ( not just Quebecois), unless if you’re lucky enough to be in the same project group with them, mainly because of they live far away from campus and don’t stay up late in Trottier like us, the international students.

@ Atif, yes we’re in the same program but we dont necessarily took same courses at the same time.

ah, i get what you mean. but asking is not the problem here, its the conversations.

see, there is a vast difference of academic conversations between the pakistanis/bangladeshis and quebecois kids. the context is much more fascinating. the quebecois kids are really passionate people and talk about stuff that goes beyond exams papers. They thought about genuine ideas, they banter on most efficient solution and would actually figure out on how to improvise. they would talk about new technology, on better algorithms, and on helpful websites. actually, funnily enough, rarely would they gather around and talk about exams and past papers or even discuss them.( thats why i would give the props to the bangladeshis/pakistanis for their amazing collaborative spirit).They would bitch about it tho, but never i would see them gather around and answer a term paper together. They would later skype about it , they would talk about the course itself which is very very fascinating.

but then again, even if i do in fact understand french, i would have been clueless anyway because for starters, you need an idea to contribute, and sorrily, i have none lol.

and ditto on observation of Quebec kids: the-only-engineering-students-who-do-actually-go-home-at-6.00pm-and-had-dinner-waiting-at-home.

also, i have to admit, i feel quite scared mingling with them because sometimes they talk about girls and the package that comes along with the topic ( men being men). inferiority complex, damn you too.

i welcome you to come and sit in the lab sometimes.
Just sit there.
Sit there and watch.

its an interesting spectacle.
makes me smile and frustrated at the same time.
( partly bcz i would like to be part of the action rather than just s sorry spectator. someday, someday….just watch me.)

kawan you si Severin Smith/Sparky tulah ketua penghulunye + kawan2 die yang lain yang tak kurang hebatnya.

Sorry this comment suppose to appear here. –>

Ohhh ok ok i see your point now. Oh yes in that case I have to agree with u 180%.
Btw, I guess it’s because the reason why they are in electrical engineering is because it’s what they’re interested in and what they spend most of their time with. (u know, build some funky robot in their bedroom, make funky circuit in their garage, etc) So of course they’re very passionate about what ever they’re doing.
Unlike us, we came to university, doing engineering, with nothing but a single reason – Our sponsors told us to. Lame.

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